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Postby cleopatrox on Mon Feb 04, 2008 8:57 pm

I understand that you also do not like to see condoms in porn, dap-addict! Why? (Without economical reasons) :)
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Postby superduper on Mon Feb 04, 2008 9:32 pm

Porn is about fantasy, so if the proper precautions are taken with tests (international standard) to make participants clear of STD, there is not much actual point in having condoms for protection itself (not foolproof) and everyone who watches porn knows that in their own private life they should use condoms because they know porn actors are tested. Condoms seem to be a way of covering a company's liability for health and safety issues, but porn must be volenti non fit injuria - ie, they know the risks.
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Postby cleopatrox on Mon Feb 04, 2008 10:46 pm

dap-addict wrote: It seems that the risk is turning you really on, cleopatrox. :?


I am not a risk-addict! But condoms are real limitation of sexual feeling. You can not deceive yourself. If I see this limitation, it kills all of fun. But I understand how much it can be dangerous - to work without condoms. It is the reason, why I have great respect for performers, who shoot without condoms for us and take this risk for our pleasure. Yes, sometimes it can be money reason. But who pay money? Fans pay money to producers and producers pay money to performers. It mean all the same that performers do it for fans .

It is sad that we can read about fresh STD-outbreaks often. Some people want to enforce mandatory condom use in porn. I think it is bad idea! I asked some performers about condom usage here and in the other sites. Opinions are different. Motivations are different.

I think that risk factor is the thing, what everybody need to accept. Risk levels can be different. Everybody need to have a choice, what to do or not to do. But it is not right that conversation about it can start only then, when someone already get disease and say how porn is bad.
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Postby cleopatrox on Mon Feb 04, 2008 11:42 pm

superduper wrote:Porn is about fantasy, so if the proper precautions are taken with tests (international standard) to make participants clear of STD, there is not much actual point in having condoms for protection itself (not foolproof) and everyone who watches porn knows that in their own private life they should use condoms because they know porn actors are tested. Condoms seem to be a way of covering a company's liability for health and safety issues, but porn must be volenti non fit injuria - ie, they know the risks.


We not live in the fantasy. Fantasy for us is the reality for performers. Testing is not protection. Condoms also can not always prevent syphilis or herpes. We see that STDs are rampant in this industry yet . Risks will be always there. The question is - what level of risk you are ready to take!

I think we can not criticize performers, who prefer to use condoms, because high level of risk is not for everyone. But we have rights to choose, what we want to watch and support that porn, what we like. Some of fans are not worried about condoms. It is also reality.
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Postby superduper on Tue Feb 05, 2008 6:51 pm

But didn't Sarah Young say, "If you want protection, you shouldn't be in the business" - ?
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Postby spnevsky on Wed Feb 06, 2008 5:15 pm

kenbac wrote:This subject of condom use is very interesting and should probably have been a thread of it’s own.

I am a keen fan of Marc Dorcel and have alot of his films.
M D uses gorgeous babes, films in super sets and locations, dresses the stars in stylish clothes and offers story lines.
The main draw back is condom use.
But the condom use doesn’t appear to be 100%
I have always been curious about why the condoms.
I hope there is more information on this to come.


speaking of hot chicks in MD films, i searched for Yazmine on this very index and nothing popped up (no pun intended). Is she no longer active? and who is she for that matter? any and all responses would be appreciated.
get me to europe!!
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Postby dap-addict on Wed Feb 06, 2008 8:35 pm

cleopatrox wrote:
dap-addict wrote: It seems that the risk is turning you really on, cleopatrox. :?


I am not a risk-addict! But condoms are real limitation of sexual feeling. You can not deceive yourself. If I see this limitation, it kills all of fun. But I understand how much it can be dangerous - to work without condoms. It is the reason, why I have great respect for performers, who shoot without condoms for us and take this risk for our pleasure.


Cleopatroux, as for you question on the top of this page, I basically agree with superduper.
Aditionally I think we clients clearly prefering non-condom porn fanatasy should take care that the condom-friendly minority doesnt play us to a wall, doesnt force solutions with the help of governments and other moral crusaders upon us and the instustry.
This said, of course there should be place for all fetishes - condoms included. Marc Dorcel is such a niche place for instance. And they actually provide a choice to the girls prefering to work with condoms.


I also think you are (also with your peculiar way of interviewing porn girls about condoms) pretending condoms were a solution for a risky situation, while in reality they are no solution at all. Sex is always risky, wheter you do it in private, on a porn set, as an escort etc. Thus, me, I have great respect for performers as well, but because of different reasons: I respect them because they choose a difficult job provideing lots of fun to me. I respect condom only girls exactly the same way as non-condom performers, just that I dont buy condomized porn. Thus they get no money from me. But they get all my respect.
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Postby dap-addict on Wed May 28, 2008 1:07 am

dap-addict wrote:Cleopatroux...with your peculiar way of interviewing porn girls about condoms) pretending condoms were a solution for a risky situation, while in reality they are no solution at all.

Cleopatroux, I may have criticized them, but somehow I miss the answers you get from our Europorn cuties. :wink:
(the more as Angelina Crows VIP tread just got locked, and thus her bright answers run the risk to get silenced, too. :( )
Hope you are still here! :arrow: :idea:
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Postby paroxysmia on Wed May 28, 2008 1:11 am

Forget this movie !
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Postby cleopatrox on Wed May 28, 2008 12:56 pm

dap-addict wrote: Cleopatroux, I may have criticized them, but somehow I miss the answers you get from our Europorn cuties. :wink:
(the more as Angelina Crows VIP tread just got locked, and thus her bright answers run the risk to get silenced, too. :( )
Hope you are still here! :arrow: :idea:


I am here my friend! :lol: If you want to continue our discussion about risk factors in porn, I can give you another story. We are in the Dorcel airlines thread... :) OK! I think you know famous french girl Melissa. She had a great career in USA. She worked without condoms for many companies. She did rough anal, creampies, a2m and a2p scenes. But consequences were bad for her. During her career she contracted chlamydia twice and once suffered from a pelvic inflammatory disease. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melissa_Lauren

Now she work condom-only for Marc Dorcel. :?


I think the risk factors of unprotected sex in porn are very serious. Angelina and other bareback riders are very courageous of course. But we can not ignore information like this

http://aim.graphicsandtext.com/library/articles/1194568589/ :wink:
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Postby dap-addict on Wed May 28, 2008 2:57 pm

cleopatrox wrote:I think the risk factors of unprotected sex in porn are very serious. Angelina and other bareback riders are very courageous of course. But we can not ignore information like this

http://aim.graphicsandtext.com/library/articles/1194568589/ :wink:

Gosh, even condomized porn doesnt help against syph!
Sex should be banned and porn forbidden!
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Btw, Dorcel Airlines, paroxysma: Why forget that film?
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Postby paroxysmia on Wed May 28, 2008 2:58 pm

dap-addict wrote:Btw, Dorcel Airlines, paroxysma: Why forget that film?


It's Dorcel and boring.
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Postby dap-addict on Wed May 28, 2008 3:00 pm

paroxysmia wrote:
dap-addict wrote:Btw, Dorcel Airlines, paroxysma: Why forget that film?


It's Dorcel and boring.

What`s wrong with Dorcel?
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Postby paroxysmia on Wed May 28, 2008 3:15 pm

dap-addict wrote:
paroxysmia wrote:
dap-addict wrote:Btw, Dorcel Airlines, paroxysma: Why forget that film?


It's Dorcel and boring.

What`s wrong with Dorcel?


Vivid / Wicked style !
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Postby dap-addict on Wed May 28, 2008 4:09 pm

paroxysmia wrote:Vivid / Wicked style !

Vivid I heard of I think. Never tried them, though.
From Wicket I guess you wanna say clean, plastic, condom, anti-gonzo story, soft light etc., yes?
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