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[pedro212]

I also read what Torbe said to the judge in Spain.

I do not know if he is guilty or not, but who was expecting him to say "yes yes i am guilty"....

For his friend ***, i know Ukraine and Russia pretty well and come on do you really imagine that a legit successful businessman (if it exist, every business need protection there, the state is a mafia, the police is a mafia and mafia exist...) is going to be involved in porn in this country. And of course a legal businessman needs bodyguards when he travel aboard???
Porno is illegal in Ukraine and in Russia, meaning you can not shoot porno in this two country, soft erotism only regarding to the Ukrainian and Russian law. Of course people does it in this two country but under protection...

But Torbe say something interesting about removing scenes and the contract with the girls. First it seems that he proclaims to have agreement with the girls about what they supposed to do, which is not clear, he have a contract or not??? I think because of the tourist Visa no real contract because illegal work in Spain. Second about getting a visa to Spain even a touristic one is very difficult for this Ukrainian girls, so most of the time that goes trough a country like Poland or another one for the visa, which is not the case because as you can see on the pictures of Angela she had a Spanish visa, so *** again have very good connection in Ukraine to get the proper visa. And third, Torbe says that if a girl want to remove the movie he will have an agreement with her, what kind of agreement, money is blackmailing, or he just remove it, so he is losing money in his case??? If they were real contract no problems with that.

For me it seems that there is so many holes in his declaration that something is wrong.

Finally as i already said before there is something wrong with the girl named Angela for the bukkake aka Taya and Angel b, i made a little investigation and this what i had found :
First they show pictures of her doing the Bukkake in Spain and on different board they were speaking of her doing a gang bang, then they remove the pictures of her, a few days after that she cancelled her page on VK and on instagram she moved on Facebook where everything is more controlled.
She want for shooting in Spain For Torbe, in Thailand for Playboy plus and Mplstudios and in Cyprus for i do not know..... The pictures in Thailand are released and probably never removed, because for playboy and mplstudios the photographer have very good contract to protect them, big company want everything to be legit.
And every time a hardcore shooting of her his released, she complains about it and ask it to be removed, this is what she did with Dreamstash this guy is strange how can he loose money all the time??, and probably she ask to block any comments on her on indexxxx.
Hot can a Ukrainian girls have this kind of power??????

hope we get all the answer one day.

[mitea]

Based on what Torbe and Mila said all the ukranian girls had contract and signed everything, it's not clear if they are talking about working contract or just the image and media rights , it's the spanish girls coming out now saying they (the spanish) worked without contract, there were no medical tests, were abused, prostitued,many say they were forced to do these videos, maybe working without contract and medical tests could be true, which is bad, but all the other things are ridiculous, they have been working with him for years and some even living in his house, they just want clean their image.

Torbe said this about removing videos because one of the witness is a spanish girl that worked with him and it seems she wanted to remove all her videos from torbe website, this is almost impossible, he may have some clause that you pay him 50.000$ or some big money and he removes everything, these girls aren't going to pay that much, so is like an impossible clause

I don't know about this Angela girl but in this Torbe case she is not very important, maybe she removed her social pages because she was identified and started getting a lot of messages, i think these ukraine girls think they will never be identified by their compatriots.
It's very difficult to remove the videos, it makes no sense, she gets paid 1000 for a video and has to pay 5000 to erase it, she will lose money , her bukkake pictures i think were removed because they were not Torbe's property they were ***

[maxim4444]

Based on what Torbe and Mila said all the ukranian girls had contract and signed everything, it's not clear if they are talking about working contract or just the image and media rights , it's the spanish girls coming out now saying they (the spanish) worked without contract, there were no medical tests, were abused, prostitued,many say they were forced to do these videos, maybe working without contract and medical tests could be true, which is bad, but all the other things are ridiculous, they have been working with him for years and some even living in his house, they just want clean their image.

Torbe said this about removing videos because one of the witness is a spanish girl that worked with him and it seems she wanted to remove all her videos from torbe website, this is almost impossible, he may have some clause that you pay him 50.000$ or some big money and he removes everything, these girls aren't going to pay that much, so is like an impossible clause

I don't know about this Angela girl but in this Torbe case she is not very important, maybe she removed her social pages because she was identified and started getting a lot of messages, i think these ukraine girls think they will never be identified by their compatriots.
It's very difficult to remove the videos, it makes no sense, she gets paid 1000 for a video and has to pay 5000 to erase it, she will lose money , her bukkake pictures i think were removed because they were not Torbe's property they were ***

These girls probably they were recruited thinking the scenes they do will not be seen in their country. Being young and naive trusting the promises of their agent, and signing contracts, model releases written in english, even without to know what they sign. Same as it happen when working with Woodman. They go in a casting thinking they will get some soft erotic work, and getting paid for only giving an interview never will be online. When interview is done, recorded, they get a payment offer for a hard scene, they can chose to accept, or just leave the casting and forgot the dream work. Everyone sign a model release believing it is to get paid for coming to the casting as their agency find the rich client is paying even for appearance Those they accept to try doing a hard scene, they just find out were cheated by their agent, because the casting inteview was going online. Some of them when start having problems with family, friends , they decide to jump into porn and continue after their naive mistake, cuz they're already fucked, so why not make some money, others try to complain,asking Woodman to erase their casting. And from that moment start the hidden business is behind. Sorry baby, it is your agent fault, he did not told you this interview will be online, and you signed, and get paid. Or you do some more scenes for me, you get paid well, and I promise you I'll never put them online until not see you working for other porn companies. Or you pay me back the money I've spent already which is A LOT. Hotel room location, my travel to the place, my time, agent, post production cot, etc. Or you deliver to me another cute girl to replace your casting. Extorted situation.This is what make this porn business of today shit as it is. And now Torbe he will tell on the court, he did not know what the people work for him they did, how they managed the girls to do this scenes, he only run his business as director, the responsability goes to others.Always same story. And I know here we talk about Torbe, but until a Woodman can run his business as he runs it, he will always have followers, will try to do the same he does. Same as happened to the girl Emeche in 1999 when boyfriend called the police because she was fucked by Pierre when going for a soft nude shooting. Pierre put the girl in a Normafa Hotel, hidden in the woods around Budapest for couple of days, offering her a lot of money to fuck with 2-3 boys, then she just find out that from 2-3 they are just more and more, finally 20 boys fucking her.After she go home with money, and chose to tell to the police nothing bad happen to her, so they close the case, mostly because they could not find a french turist have 2 different passports with different names that time. Travelling with 1, and registering in hotels with another one. Being a well paying customer, is still working in these Eastern corrupted countries, and you all know, no one production is asking invoices from performers, or people work for them. Only model releases, these girls they dont even know what they sign for. The idea is to make the girl work for you, keep it until she will want all this bad moment from the past disappear, then ask money to be removed from the website, when already you made some money with. Now you can understand why so many castings never will be released, or will be released only later, after years (when the model become a celebrity, or she have a good job, family life, children at the age can make them problems).

[olga cabaeva]

Thank you Olga, that ties in with what I just saw...

Torbe has given his declaration to the judge:

http://www.telecinco.es/elprogramadeana ... 00092.html

He denies all the charges as you would expect and seems to be in shock at what has happened. He says the Ukrainian girls knew what they were coming for and everything was explained to them by the translator Mila and that his business is making pornography not prostitution. He defends *** as his partner:

"My Ukrainian partner is a person who I had the pleasure of meeting in Ukraine, is a friend of the mayor of Kiev and a fairly respectable and wanting to do projects person."

Here's something interesting, the mayor of Kiev is none other than Vitali Klitschko, the famous ex world champion boxer... that's quite a friend to have.

He also denounces the protected witnesses as just wanting to get their videos removed and that he would never abuse a minor or anyone else and that he doesn't do drugs. Witness TP3's story about the footballers is full of holes at this point btw, the police have found no evidence to support her claims...

Also included is the video statement of Mila, who claims that the Ukrainian girls were all over 18 (I don't think this was in doubt), came all expenses paid and she looked after them and they even had contact with family. All contracts were drawn up with everything explained to them as Torbe said above. It appears what they didn't know is just how many guys were going to be there in the bukkake and possibly that's why some of them had some trouble (completely understandable given the task) rather than they were "forced" to do anything. Seems like they had been aware of Torbe's firm for a while prior to making connections...
..

About bukkake... Sometimes Torbe doesn't know himself how any guys would come there. He used to advertise in his web where and when bukkake will be...Sometimes he got a lots of guys sometimes just few ones.
I am sure girls know that they will do in Spain. But it was very"smart" to take money and after report Nacho to police.
They thought nobody will knows about their trip in Spain but now this story is everywhere.

[olga cabaeva]

Based on what Torbe and Mila said all the ukranian girls had contract and signed everything, it's not clear if they are talking about working contract or just the image and media rights , it's the spanish girls coming out now saying they (the spanish) worked without contract, there were no medical tests, were abused, prostitued,many say they were forced to do these videos, maybe working without contract and medical tests could be true, which is bad, but all the other things are ridiculous, they have been working with him for years and some even living in his house, they just want clean their image

I worked with Torbe in 2007. Btw,he was the first person in Spain who used to do full test. He traveled a lots in Praga and he brought czech girls to Madrid too(even Angel Dark visited his house,900€ for b/g ,btw). Do you think any czech agency will allow to work with their girls without STD test????
If Spanish girls worked without test it's their problem.
I don't know if Torbe had model releases in English or Spanish for ucranian girls. Mein were Spanish ones.And it was regular model releases like every European company has.
Many Porn girls work as escort ,I hesitate that Nacho put them there. There is another Spanish director who is well known to hold a brothel there,but not Torbe.
I know Carolina Abril ,before Carolina Ferrer (Google her name),she lived in his house,she is from Islands,probably,it was easier for her to stay in his house for a while when she shot there.
Lora Raw,bulgarian girl,she was Torbe's girlfriend and,yes,she lived in his house too. They even traveled to Budapest together.
I remember in the past Spanish star Anastasia Mayo told in her interview she worked for Torbe without STD test. I don't know if it was true or she just did it to piss him off. It was a moment when she was a star of IFG. And IFG and Torbe had an argue,they really disliked each other .

[pedro212]

Thank you olga for all this information.

About escort, prostitution is legal in Spain, Pimping is illegal. So this is the problem that have Torbe, can the Spanish law considerate him as a pimp???
You can have a brothel in Spain and you rent the room to the girls but not get a percentage from the work, difficult to see the difference i know, but it is an hour rates or a day rates for the rooms and the girls can have 10 customers in one hour the price of the room will not change, crazy i know.
If he arrange some meetings with the girls yes, even if it does not get money from the girls.

About the test for the boys to do Bukkake, this is my experience because i was curious to see what they ask for participate to one session, they asked for an id and test for sexual diseases, ok so i take an idea of my country find on internet not mine, i take and old test of mine and i change the date and the name and it was in my language all this not in Spanish. they only ask a complementary test about mushrooms that is all.
I did that because i personally know one girl and i was worried about her doing this, so i need the picture of the girls doing bukkake but i never been.

[pedro212]

A little more About torbe today in Spanish news.

One of Torbe friend say that everything was cool the girls knows why they were coming to Spain, and it is a vendetta of an other producer...

http://www.telecinco.es/elprogramadeana ... 55105.html

An other says the total opposite, the girls was crying and they were forced buy Mila to do it and between session they had to sleep with Torbe, no contract, no test

http://www.telecinco.es/elprogramadeana ... 55119.html

And to finish the most funny things is the girls named Isabella who went every where on the Spanish TV to say that was horrible to work With Torbe, putalocura just put her bukkake in the front page of the website, but an old one aka Rena Reindeer.

http://ccaa.elpais.com/ccaa/2016/06/14/ ... 04283.html

[mitea]

Based on what Torbe and Mila said all the ukranian girls had contract and signed everything, it's not clear if they are talking about working contract or just the image and media rights , it's the spanish girls coming out now saying they (the spanish) worked without contract, there were no medical tests, were abused, prostitued,many say they were forced to do these videos, maybe working without contract and medical tests could be true, which is bad, but all the other things are ridiculous, they have been working with him for years and some even living in his house, they just want clean their image

I worked with Torbe in 2007. Btw,he was the first person in Spain who used to do full test. He traveled a lots in Praga and he brought czech girls to Madrid too(even Angel Dark visited his house,900€ for b/g ,btw). Do you think any czech agency will allow to work with their girls without STD test????
If Spanish girls worked without test it's their problem.
I don't know if Torbe had model releases in English or Spanish for ucranian girls. Mein were Spanish ones.And it was regular model releases like every European company has.
Many Porn girls work as escort ,I hesitate that Nacho put them there. There is another Spanish director who is well known to hold a brothel there,but not Torbe.
I know Carolina Abril ,before Carolina Ferrer (Google her name),she lived in his house,she is from Islands,probably,it was easier for her to stay in his house for a while when she shot there.
Lora Raw,bulgarian girl,she was Torbe's girlfriend and,yes,she lived in his house too. They even traveled to Budapest together.
I remember in the past Spanish star Anastasia Mayo told in her interview she worked for Torbe without STD test. I don't know if it was true or she just did it to piss him off. It was a moment when she was a star of IFG. And IFG and Torbe had an argue,they really disliked each other .

Yes i think Torbe normally will do test, and if he is working with some well known pornstar or agency he will make test 100%, but he works with so many spanish girls that i see the possibility that maybe sometimes he could not have test.
I think the model releases are from this *** company but this Mila, who seems to be the recruiter, said they knew what they were signing, they knew they were coming for a Bukkake and all of them arranged to do 3 for 6000$

[mitea]

A little more About torbe today in Spanish news.

One of Torbe friend say that everything was cool the girls knows why they were coming to Spain, and it is a vendetta of an other producer...

http://www.telecinco.es/elprogramadeana ... 55105.html

An other says the total opposite, the girls was crying and they were forced buy Mila to do it and between session they had to sleep with Torbe, no contract, no test

http://www.telecinco.es/elprogramadeana ... 55119.html

And to finish the most funny things is the girls named Isabella who went every where on the Spanish TV to say that was horrible to work With Torbe, putalocura just put her bukkake in the front page of the website, but an old one aka Rena Reindeer.

http://ccaa.elpais.com/ccaa/2016/06/14/ ... 04283.html

I think these two, the one in the article and the video, are the same girl, she is being doing the tour in spanish TV's, the funny thing is none of the ukranians has said anyhing of this forced bukkakes, this thing of forced bukkakes and tricked girls is what police gets from the phone conversations they intercepted, and of course they will like a big case, but i think they will need some ukranian girl saying she was forced or something, they surely will try to get someone

[jeanmarc]

I think the model releases are from this *** company but this Mila, who seems to be the recruiter, said they knew what they were signing, they knew they were coming for a Bukkake and all of them arranged to do 3 for 6000$

It's funny cuz I work with an American website, we're a small entity, and our most famous scene is a 15 men Dani Jensen gangbang with her swallowing every load. It was sponsored by a rich poker player who was fascinated by Dani and wanted to see her do that. At the end she agreed to do it for $1.000 per guy, $15.000 total.

So it's kinda funny to see Ukrainian girls accept to do a hundred guys bukkake, 3 times, for a fraction of the price Supply and demand I guess. I'm personally more familiar with Ukrainian girls and I love them to death, so I think I'll stick with them I guess!

Sorry for the off topic rant lol

[olga cabaeva]

Thank you olga for all this information.

About escort, prostitution is legal in Spain, Pimping is illegal. So this is the problem that have Torbe, can the Spanish law considerate him as a pimp???
You can have a brothel in Spain and you rent the room to the girls but not get a percentage from the work, difficult to see the difference i know, but it is an hour rates or a day rates for the rooms and the girls can have 10 customers in one hour the price of the room will not change, crazy i know.
If he arrange some meetings with the girls yes, even if it does not get money from the girls.

About the test for the boys to do Bukkake, this is my experience because i was curious to see what they ask for participate to one session, they asked for an id and test for sexual diseases, ok so i take an idea of my country find on internet not mine, i take and old test of mine and i change the date and the name and it was in my language all this not in Spanish. they only ask a complementary test about mushrooms that is all.
I did that because i personally know one girl and i was worried about her doing this, so i need the picture of the girls doing bukkake but i never been.

Pumping is illegal everywhere not just in Spain! And Russia together with Ucraine are well known pimp-friendly countries
https://life.ru/t/%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%81%D1 ... bordieliei
Here you have an article based on girls-pimps chats in Telegram( btw,Telegram was invented by the same guy who created vk.com)
Escort job around whole world,uderaged prostitutes for rich guys,arabic sheiks(Lol! Journalists even discovered who is Mansur),virgins,regular escort tours or tours for Forbes guys,instagram models etc.
From other side,if somebody wants to destroy any eurocompany or website like 21,ddf network,Woodman,LP etc,that's enough to let cops know they use the same managers(pimps). Torbe just did the same like many others -to book girls from managers.
Yes,I heard bukkake was shoot without regular euro standard full test. But girls also saw that kind of test the guys showed on set...Why they accepted it and after complained about bukkake?

[olga cabaeva]

And to finish the most funny things is the girls named Isabella who went every where on the Spanish TV to say that was horrible to work With Torbe, putalocura just put her bukkake in the front page of the website, but an old one aka Rena Reindeer.

http://ccaa.elpais.com/ccaa/2016/06/14/ ... 04283.html

I bet Isabella got 400€ for each visit of Spanish TV( I don't remember who it was Eveline Pink or Leyla Black who told me about rates on this kind of programmes). Now she can earning money without fucking or webcaming.
LoL ! Still curious.... Isabella did porn for 100€ per scene,she agreed and now she is telling everywhere she was bad paid. Some months ago it was OK for her,now with Torbe in jail-not!

[pedro212]

To Olga Cabaeva.

Pimp is not illegal everywhere, it is legal in Nevada, and i am sur some terrible country....

Maybe Isabella get 400€ fro every tv show she went on, but what she is going to do after, Spain is not Russia or Ukraine, and you can be curious but for what i heard some girls of Torbe are turning back to him, not just her, i think is dead.

I find something interesting on the darknet, some Russian guy, who he is i have no idea, said that this days most of the porn are owned by the united states even the european porn (which is true i think) but the Russians are tired to only have prostitution or to recruit the girls, so they want a bigger size of the cake, this guy *** was trying to do it one is own, which was not a good idea in regards of a Russian investor????
So they find a way to get him out of the game saying that the SBU (Ukrainian FSB) gave some information to the Spanish Police about him and Torbe trip in Kiev????

Of course there is no way to verify this so just take it as a rumor but no solid proof.

Some other things about the Ukrainian girls who went to Spain, they all seems to lived very easily this days, new clothes all the time, getting out a lot, new iPhone, new apple computer, new apartment better than the previous one they had???
How much does they get for the Bukkake???
For angela and her participation for the website Dreamstash this is the answer get from Steve of Dreamstash :
Steve @ DreamStash <steve@dreamstash.com>
16 june (2 days ago)

to me
Hello,

They were removed at the models request. Some people were saying things to her about the pics and video that made her upset so I thought it best to take them down.

I can issue you a refund if you would like.

Thanks,
Steve

So he paid the girl she said remove it and he does it strange???

About Bukkake
Girls didn't see the test on the set because you had to send it buy email, and after this all ok, for this i check myself so i am sure. and do you think they can read and understand a Spanish test, or a german one or an italian??

I keep looking for more information strange or not

[olga cabaeva]

About Bukkake
Girls didn't see the test on the set because you had to send it buy email, and after this all ok, for this i check myself so i am sure. and do you think they can read and understand a Spanish test, or a german one or an italian??

Maybe ucranian girls don't speak Spanish but they can see the difference between NEGATIVO and POSITIVO in test.
Btw,normaly performers bring printed test+ government Id,the legal name must be the same on ID and on test. If someone works in other way,I don't know what I can tell about it.
About russian-ucranian mafia: I think porn is just curtain for them,they make much more money from pimping prostitutes. No one website would give you such crazy money like a 50/50 brothel in Paris or Bahrain,for example. Ask our "friends"from julmodels and amour-russe,but , probably,they will claim that they are saints and have never done anything bad to any girl or, most funny thing, like somebody stole their girls pix and put on escort forums and websites(see Arteya 's topic here,unfortunly admins deleted most of information)

[killar83]

-Hello I am new to this forum, I am killar83 of Madrid.

-I'm very interested in this whole issue of torbe and bkk with Ukrainian, I would like to know all possible information and also receive data of interest.

-The Page premiumbukkake.com still not running and I think time will not work, at least until this whole issue is resolved at the judicial level, someone knows something about premiumbukkake ?? -Thank you