Syphilis Outbreak in Budapest

[Ricardo Soli]

about 100 performers positive three weeks ago? it's maybe simplistic view of me but does that mean that almost everybody with a little bit of a name in the euro bizz is positive?

It is an exact estimation...

[Christoph Clark]

i think it is really time for everybody to take care before a bigger illness come in the industry,you know what i mean,,best regards to everybody

[philippe xxx]

Well, I still fail to see the link between escorting and this syphilis problem. Obviously, some people here have a little crusade against escorting and they're using this situation to advance their agenda.

And sorry, but Rocco pointing out as "private escort work outside of their porn scenes as the likely reason for the outbreak" means he has no idea if it's really the cause of the problem. And in fact it's contradicted later when he says:  "Siffredi said that he has learned that the syphilis problem in Eastern Europe is by no means limited to the porn population." So what that mean ? That the porn industry infected the general population or more likely that the problem is widespread in the population, so naturally some people in the biz got infected. Because after all, performers are young adults and they're free to have a sex life outside the sets, right ? Or maybe, some people want to prevent that too ?

Anyway, I heard that in the US, the medical tests of every performer was available to anyone working in the industry. As far as I understand, it's not the same in Europe. Why !? If the problem is because europeans are more concerned about privacy than americans, then work it out! Same thing if the period between tests is considered too big and the tests not deep enough.

As an outsider, it looks to me that the main problem is the poor organisation of the industry in terms health control, not the fact that a few girls occasionally go to Switzerland to make a few bucks. But of course it's easier to blame those girls than to blame yourselves.

[pagangod_uk]

It must be said that there is a certain logic in the notion that the possible source of the current outbreak being attributed to those performers who make an extra income as prostitutes/escorts/whatever...

Think about it, the porn industry is a very insular business - at least in the US it is, so it makes sense that this very insularity would limit the chances of infection of STD's, thus making these infections that much easier to contain and control.

But if you've got performers who move between the worlds of both prostitution and the porn biz freely - the former has non of the self-regulation that adult industry has( ie: STD tests) then it stands to reason that there is a greater chance of STD infection occurring when you've got girls who are working outside of the regulated environment of porn.

Let me get something straight - in principle, I have no problem with prostitution per se, but it strikes me that porn and prostitution do not make for viable, interchangeable career paths for those who choose both.

Performers really need to make a choice - be a prostitute or be a porn star - but don't try to be both, it just makes sense that it is a recipe for disaster.

It's fair to say that adult performers, when contained in the adult industry, are mostly very responsible - but can the same be said of the clientèle of those performers who also work as prostitutes?...

About Mr.Marcus - his behaviour in all this is the prime reason that the US industry has been thrown into turmoil recently and it's surprising coming from a performer of his experience.

Check out this particular excerpt from The Daily Beast interview with Mr. Marcus:

"Q: So, you didn’t try to contact any of the people who you might have gotten it from or those you might have exposed to syphilis?

A: Nope. I mean there was a girl who I was hanging out with at the time I got diagnosed, and I told her she needed to go get checked. Maybe that distracted me from thinking about my past...I made it very personal, and I kept it to myself, because it was syphilis and I didn’t know much about it..."

That last comment is quite honestly unbelievable coming from a top male talent like Marcus with his 18 years in the adult business.

It's very apparent that the man has lied and put many others at risk - at best it could he described as willfully naive, at worst, shockingly irresponsible, his lack of concern/consideration for his fellow performers borders on the sociopathic.

Needless to say his career is over - nobody will employ the man, even when he is clear of infection, for Marcus I have no pity - my pity is with those who have been tainted by his callous disregard for their health and who will have their careers cut-short because of one man's self-serving actions.

Peace,

PG.

[dap-addict]

Because after all, performers are young adults and they're free to have a sex life outside the sets, right ? Or maybe, some people want to prevent that too ?

I cant find the Rocco quote now, but he said something like that, too. Like porn performers should stick to their group only.
It looks all so simpilcistic: Work only in porn and never as an escort, quarantaine all Russian work imports or better even dont allow Russian girls into Budapest, have sex only with fellow porn performers also in private because syph and STDs are widespread in the general population as well.
But first porn and escort always have been mixed to a certain extent, second porn alone doesnt provide enough income for most girls anymore, third porn performers are free people and have a private life, too.
All I read is up to a blameing game - and some old crusades. Only Roccos idea of a central testing lab brings us further a bit.

[STEMCELL]

Don´t repeat your silly testing regime argument as it shows you have no clue whatsoever how to diagnose this disease.
From the 100 porn actors who have it now are you saying that noone was tested, or isn´t it clear that they were tested and the test showed negative results, because depending on what test you use it takes up to 4 weeks from the time you got infected by the bacteria to show up the anti-bodies in your blood sample.

There´s no test at all being quick enough to find out positive folks in a couple of days after they fetched the bacteria.
And all current tests have a certain rate of up to 1/5 positive cases not being recognized.

I´m really getting tired about your constant testing bullshit, as it seems you have no clue about science at all, only DAP science

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syphilis#Diagnosis

Diagnosis

Syphilis is difficult to diagnose clinically early in its presentation.[8] Confirmation is either via blood tests or direct visual inspection using microscopy. Blood tests are more commonly used, as they are easier to perform.[4] Diagnostic tests are, however, unable to distinguish between the stages of the disease.[15]
Blood tests

Blood tests are divided into nontreponemal and treponemal tests.[8] Nontreponemal tests are used initially, and include venereal disease research laboratory (VDRL) and rapid plasma reagin tests. However, as these tests are occasionally false positives, confirmation is required with a treponemal test, such as treponemal pallidum particle agglutination (TPHA) or fluorescent treponemal antibody absorption test (FTA-Abs).[4] False positives on the nontreponemal tests can occur with some viral infections such as varicella and measles, as well as with lymphoma, tuberculosis, malaria, endocarditis, connective tissue disease, and pregnancy.[7] Treponemal antibody tests usually become positive two to five weeks after the initial infection.[8] Neurosyphilis is diagnosed by finding high numbers of leukocytes (predominately lymphocytes) and high protein levels in the cerebrospinal fluid in the setting of a known syphilis infection.[4][7]
Direct testing

Dark ground microscopy of serous fluid from a chancre may be used to make an immediate diagnosis. However, hospitals do not always have equipment or experienced staff members, whereas testing must be done within 10 minutes of acquiring the sample. Sensitivity has been reported to be nearly 80%, thus can only be used to confirm a diagnosis but not rule one out. Two other tests can be carried out on a sample from the chancre: direct fluorescent antibody testing and nucleic acid amplification tests. Direct fluorescent testing uses antibodies tagged with fluorescein, which attach to specific syphilis proteins, while nucleic acid amplification uses techniques, such as the polymerase chain reaction, to detect the presence of specific syphilis genes. These tests are not as time-sensitive, as they do not require living bacteria to make the diagnosis.[8]

[dap-addict]

Don´t repeat your silly testing regime argument

Sorry, but dont get me wrong, I was just poiting to some contradictions and strange parts in the Rocco interview.

[Sodomizeher]

It must be said that there is a certain logic in the notion that the possible source of the current outbreak being attributed to those performers who make an extra income as prostitutes/escorts/whatever...

I'm sure that when working as escorts they will practice safer sex, using condoms for all penetration (vaginal and anal) and often using a condom for oral sex as well so I think this is either scare-mongering or an attempt to deflect attention elsewhere.

[Ricardo Soli]

It must be said that there is a certain logic in the notion that the possible source of the current outbreak being attributed to those performers who make an extra income as prostitutes/escorts/whatever...

I'm sure that when working as escorts they will practice safer sex, using condoms for all penetration (vaginal and anal) and often using a condom for oral sex as well so I think this is either scare-mongering or an attempt to deflect attention elsewhere.

Yes for sure. And now when they heard is this syphilis outbreak they don't even kiss, they don't allow to be licked, only take the money, shake the hand, and nothing more. Eventually they're talking about sex and diseases for some extra money

[philippe xxx]

One good thing is that many porn actresses who are not infected and unable to find work since all productions are stopped, will turn to the escort business and once they got a foot in it, will probably stay in this biz as well... I can already see the latest batch of hungarian eurobabes invading switzerland. Maybe this crisis is good after all.

Yeah this is dedicated to Ricardo 

[Pierre Woodman]

Ricardo is working only as a "scout" for me since a long period now and has nothing to do with escort business. If one day it was like this again, I will not collaborate with him anymore and he knows that ...
This syphilis problem doesn't push girl to do escort, it push most of them to run out from any kind of sex intercourse and it's bad for everyone because even the newspapers speak about it in all europe and to do casting for porn in those days is very complicate...

PW

[dap-addict]

At the moment newspapers still speak about the syph problem in US porn only.

But whats the actual situation in Budapest? Production maratorium prolonged until when? Do they still shoot porn in Piter and Prague currently?

[arnoldsty]

Syphilis outbreak in Budapest and LA, porn production banned in Russia. Seems like Prague is the only one still shooting porn. Btw, LA is going to have the "condom ballot" in November this year, which if passed will require performers to use condoms. Seems likely to pass now with the current outbreak of syphilis in LA cause of Mr.Marcus. Some ppl there are saying they will relocate to Nevada and Florida ofcourse has a sizable industry now, but the same thing could happen there.

I think these trends could herald the end of the porn industry (as we know it) in at least three main centers - Hungary, Russia and USA. Hungary seems like a temp case but again cause of the rise of right wing politics who knows. So only sizeable porn productions centers left - CZ, Brazil, Japan. I think most of French, German and Italian productions use CZ and Hungary to shoot, or atleast the girls from there.

Dec 2012!!! Its falling into place

[Patrick2]

^Although some companies may relocate to other States The big ones will never leave California because porn is afterall only legal in California. That doesn't mean that porn isn't shot in other States but only California has legalized it. The authorities may overlook the odd porn company moving into it's corner of the world but then again they may not and I don't think any porn producer wnats to be arrested, tried and possibly convicted because he shot porn in the wrong State. I know that many people say that companies will move to Vegas, Florida or whatever othr State but the truth is that most performers live in and around LA. They won't be moving and since they are the people who we want to see on screen then the companies will stay in LA.

[dap-addict]

Strange silence about the porn production situation in Europe!
How long is the production stop in Budapest expected to last?
How about Prague and Piter?